Chat ID: 4cd127-1a42-43cd71d2182
Problem : priority code 4344889765 Someone said they'd call us back in 2 minutes, 20 minutes ago. Your download failed midstream. therefore we have NO ANTI-VIRUS on our system. Help Rafraff : Hello Frish. My name is Rafraff .
Rafraff : Welcome to Symantec Customer Service
Rafraff : Hello Sue, How are you doing today?
Frish: don't even ask that. I've been hassling your software for 4 hours now, and your promises are useless
Rafraff : Sue, May I please confirm that the issue you have described is that you need help in downloading the product. Is that correct?
Frish: yes
Frish: download failed, and so, now what?
Rafraff : What is the exact error message that appears on your screen?
Frish: the download simply stopped, the button said resume so we did...it stopped again, then eventually, it said that our run.exe or some such was corrupt and that was it.
Frish: downloaded about 52MB when it eventually totally failed.
Rafraff : I really apolozies for the inconvenience caused.
Frish: just fix it
Rafraff : May I know the operating system you are using?
Frish: xp
Rafraff : Is your internet connection a high speed DSL/ cable or dial up?
Frish: dsl
Rafraff : May I know whether it is Xp sp1 or Xp sp2?
Frish: sp2
Rafraff : Thank you for confirming your details. Please make a note of this case no. 3714392755 for your future reference.
Rafraff : May I know whether you have disabled the firewall and tried to download the product?
Frish: by the way, I've done this already today with someone elwse. and I have a case number and a priority number that I typed in. I also used to work down the hall from John Thompson, the CEO of Symantec...lol
Frish: 3714392734
Frish: was my other number
Rafraff : Okay.
Rafraff : Please follow steps..........
Rafraff : Please log on to the www.symantecstore.com/trialware and select Norton Internet Security 2008 - 15 Day Trialware
Rafraff : 1.Please download the 15 days trial ware from the link.
Rafraff : 2. After 15 days, Norton product will prompt you with three options. Check mark the option "I have already purchased a product and have a product key"
Rafraff : 3. You can enter the product key JQ7JPYRUUDYYTTBCJPDJCIIYEMMMS999#
Frish: fascinating.
Rafraff : It is a trailware product. You can use the product for 15 days and at the end of the 15 day it will ask the product key to enter, then please enter the product key you have and activate it ..
Rafraff : Please download the product on your computer and save it on your desktop.
Rafraff : And after downloading it you will get a Norton Icon tab on your desktop.
Rafraff : Please double click on it.
Rafraff : You will get the option Run.
Rafraff : Please click on it.
Rafraff : The product will be installed on your computer.
Rafraff : Once the product is installed on your computer the older products on your computer will be uninstalled automatically.
Rafraff : And then activate your product.
Rafraff : Please try with the steps and if you have any issues please contact us again with the above case ID.
Frish: ok
Frish: I'll try it
Frish: ciao
Frish: namaste
Rafraff : Do you no Hindi?
Monday, September 3, 2007
Thanks for your evenhanded article
Josh:
I believe you are correct in your assessment, as far as it goes. And, atheists are hard to corral into a group, no question, since all we have in common is a non-belief! We come from all backgrounds, religions, races, heights, ages and fitness...literally we have NOTHING in common!
Yes, those amongst us who are not superstitious, who do not rely on myth and legend for our world view, are becoming more politicized, and outspoken. Partly this is in reaction to the theocratization (actually Evangelical Christianization) of various parts of our government and political lives. (Partly it is because we feel we can, and must, before our very low social status (least desirable to date your child: an atheist!) causes reactionaries to react!)
It is also clear to me anyway, that a rational, non-faith-based view of the natural condition must be undertaken if we are to avoid (or quiesce) the chaos we've created in the biosphere and therefore simply survive the next 150 years.
Those who are "faithful" are also potentially very dangerous, if their faith causes them to make irrational decisions concerning global warming, Islam, Israel, and other important issues.
However, there is another part of the story. We know much more know than we ever have about how the universe works, and we're learning more every day. (And, not just the Universe, but how our own brains function is finally beginning to be described.)
So, the interesting question of our age:
Will science develop enough of the answers in time to convince enough voters to ensure further progress in knowledge and application of science, or will the faithful win enough governmental clout to foil those efforts (stem cells for example!)?
Either way, it is a toss up as to whether humankind can survive the chaos we've created in the biosphere. Simply by having the atheists/deist debate is a waste of very precious time that ought be spent solving how humanity will survive into the year 2150.
(I often have wondered when the atheists and theists team up to help the Earth survive! Where are those Christians who feel they are not Dominionists, but Shepard's of the Earth?)
Your article follows, as I've copied some interested parties, thanks! I also have a final comment below, thanks again:
I believe you are correct in your assessment, as far as it goes. And, atheists are hard to corral into a group, no question, since all we have in common is a non-belief! We come from all backgrounds, religions, races, heights, ages and fitness...literally we have NOTHING in common!
Yes, those amongst us who are not superstitious, who do not rely on myth and legend for our world view, are becoming more politicized, and outspoken. Partly this is in reaction to the theocratization (actually Evangelical Christianization) of various parts of our government and political lives. (Partly it is because we feel we can, and must, before our very low social status (least desirable to date your child: an atheist!) causes reactionaries to react!)
It is also clear to me anyway, that a rational, non-faith-based view of the natural condition must be undertaken if we are to avoid (or quiesce) the chaos we've created in the biosphere and therefore simply survive the next 150 years.
Those who are "faithful" are also potentially very dangerous, if their faith causes them to make irrational decisions concerning global warming, Islam, Israel, and other important issues.
However, there is another part of the story. We know much more know than we ever have about how the universe works, and we're learning more every day. (And, not just the Universe, but how our own brains function is finally beginning to be described.)
So, the interesting question of our age:
Will science develop enough of the answers in time to convince enough voters to ensure further progress in knowledge and application of science, or will the faithful win enough governmental clout to foil those efforts (stem cells for example!)?
Either way, it is a toss up as to whether humankind can survive the chaos we've created in the biosphere. Simply by having the atheists/deist debate is a waste of very precious time that ought be spent solving how humanity will survive into the year 2150.
(I often have wondered when the atheists and theists team up to help the Earth survive! Where are those Christians who feel they are not Dominionists, but Shepard's of the Earth?)
Your article follows, as I've copied some interested parties, thanks! I also have a final comment below, thanks again:
Faith & Values
Tired of faith-based politics, atheists push to be heard, too
Friday, August 31, 2007 3:33 AM
When Friedrich Nietzsche dared pen the words "God is dead" in 1881, some crickets chirped. A critic yawned.
Despite his later influence, scholars say, Nietzsche was not highly regarded before his death in 1890. But nowadays, critiques of religion, his specialty, are popular.
Just check out the New York Times bestseller list.
Christopher Hitchens' God is not Great spent the past 16 weeks in the top five of the list after making its debut in the top spot. Still ranked among best sellers, The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins is holding out in the top 30 despite being published last September. Other prominent authors include Sam Harris and Daniel Dennett.
According to activists, this band of atheist authors heralds a turning point in American society -- when the irreligious stand up and take their place at the table of political power.
The success of these authors is directly proportional to the dramatic rise in religious conservatism and public piety in national politics, said Tom Flynn, editor of Free Inquiry, a magazine published by the Council for Secular Humanism.
"With (President) Bush trumpeting his faith-based initiatives in the face of the separation of church and state, you have a lot of those in the nonbelieving community who feel their civil liberties are in danger," Flynn said.
Add that to the growing number of American atheists and you have a recipe for political activism, he added.
Record numbers of people are living without God, according to a Pew Charitable Trust study conducted by researchers at the University of Akron for the 2004 presidential race.
The study found the highest share of people yet, 16 percent, who said they had no religious affiliation. Some of those were actually nonspecific spiritual seekers or people between denominations, but almost 11 percent of the respondents said they were atheist or secular.
"And if you know anything about minority politics, 10 percent is the magic number," Flynn said. "All of a sudden, you have a place at the table. I think that has a lot to do with the sudden popularity of atheism and these books."
But the Rev. Martin Marty, an author, Lutheran minister and professor emeritus at the University of Chicago Divinity School, said just because the books reveal a cultural current in America, don't expect a march on Washington.
The history of the various agnostic and atheist movements in this country, he said, is one of a failure to organize.
"Religions have the power to form groups," Marty said. "When you look at the intellectual expression of atheism, it is very individualistic."
The run-of-the-mill atheist is less concerned with the trappings of religion than its political influence, said Marilyn Westfall, a lecturer and board member of the American Humanist Association.
She said there is genuine concern about the strength of the religious right in this country.
"It seems that humans have gone through cycles in which religious fervor must be opposed for the sake of ethics," Westfall said.
Amy Birtcher has seen this thought reflected in Columbus. As president of the Humanist Community of Central Ohio, she has watched the organization's numbers swell from the historic average of about 40 to almost 100 in the past two years.
She said people are turning to atheist authors' works because they validate what they have been thinking for a long time.
"New members tell us quite regularly that the Bush administration and the current wave of conservative politics brought them out of the closet," Birtcher said.
Still, she said, atheists remain one of the most maligned minority groups in the United States. Political polls reveal that people are less likely to vote for a nonbeliever than for a homosexual, she said.
"A lot of people are afraid," Birtcher said. "They can't tell their families. They can't tell their co-workers because they fear real reprisal."
The Rev. Richard Burnett, rector of Trinity Episcopal Church Downtown, said he can understand how invocations of the divine by public officials can feel alienating to unbelievers, though unintentionally.
Having read Hitchens' book, Burnett said it's a good read for Christians, if only to help reaffirm their belief. He suspects that the book's best-seller status is due in part to the faithful trying to find out "what the devil it's all about."
"When we are honest with each other, I think there's a great potential to find truth," Burnett said about the dialogue the books have created between the faithful and nonbelievers. "When the discourse is mocking or trying to score points for either side, I don't think it is helpful."
He said it's important to remember that God does not need to be defended.
Flynn predicts that the popularity of these books is the first step in a coming wave of atheist activism. "It took a very concentrated effort on behalf of the gay community to make people realize you know a gay person," Flynn said. "People realized, 'Hey, I have a gay co-worker, and they're fine.' We need to do that for the nonreligious."
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The gay analogy is interesting but not quite spot on, since Gays have a natural reason to form a group and atheists don't, except to be defensive of our fragile civil rights to be Free To Believe or Not as we so desire! Seems so simple and nothing to argue about really, I respectfully request the right not to believe anything I have to take solely on faith...
Cheers,
Frish
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