(LES, WROTE THE FOLLOWING AND THEN DECIDED IT would JUST INITIATE A FLAME WAR SO I DECIDED NOT TO SENT TO THE GROUP LISTS...BUT HAD TO SHARE SO HERE YOU GO!)
I am so glad my recent thread "Holocaust Deniers" concerning MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE regards not having children caused such a great number of reactions.
The Holocaust to which I referred is the only Holocaust that is capitalized...but all of the events that subsequent posters referred to certainly and simply reinforce my decision not to have children (a decision I made in 1962).
And no one even mentioned the HUTU-TUTSI CONFLICT or Pol Pot...
However, and I'm rather disturbed by this...
"I'd have to add to the voices here pointing out that the horror of attempted
genocide continues to this very moment, most notably in Occupied Palestine."
genocide continues to this very moment, most notably in Occupied Palestine."
"Occupied Palestine" is what is known by all those who live by the rule of law as the sovereign nation of Israel. How that came to be certainly is a subject of great debate actually, but, it is clear the Israel is a nation recognized by the overwhelming majority of other nations, and has a seat in the United Nations.
Are the Israeli's doing the "right" thing, to make the lives of those in Gaza and the West Bank uncomfortable/impossible/and or deadly? Do they react to attacks in ways that are contrary to the "law of war"? Probably they do...however, they also are continuing to have rockets and suicide bombings and other inappropriate and violent actions taken against Israel by those in the affected areas...and they are surrounded by 100's of millions of people living under governments that choose not to recognize Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state.
However, there is NO genocide proceeding there. If the Israeli's really were killing Palestinians as the Nazis killed Jews there would not be any Palestinians left.
Another poster tried to equate the Dresden fire bombing with "genocide" once again totally off the mark..
This may well be a heinous war crime as Dresden was in no way a military target and hundreds of thousands of Civilian Germans were destroyed. (See Slaughterhouse 5, Kurt Vonnegut).
Hey, there is evidence that the Japanese were ready to surrender BEFORE the atomic bomb drops, which also are a valid subject for those who know about the rules of war.
PLEASE NOTE AND BEFORE YOU TRY TO COMPARE OTHER CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY WITH THE HOLOCAUST...
THE ENTIRE NAZI MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX WAS CREATED AND FOCUSED WITH A PRIMARY GOAL TO ERADICATE JEWS FROM THE WORLD. PERIOD.
See "The War Against the Jews" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_Against_the_Jews
as one well researched tome on the topic.
Although I am Jewish by heritage, I am not a Zionist, far from it. I am the Fearless Leader Emeritus of the Los Angeles Brights, and therefore accept no supernatural concepts as anything more than fairy tales. Life is the inevitable outcome of the chemistry of the Earth...http://www.americanscientist.org/issues/feature/2009/3/the-origin-of-life/1 and there is no such thing as an "afterlife".
However, I know better than to argue this with those who do yearn for an afterlife...and choose to believe that such a thing can/does exist...
I am not an Israeli apologist either...the Palestinians who were displaced have valid grievances against the Israelis and those ought to be adjudicated. And, the Palestinians ought to recognize the state of Israel, and they all ought to attempt to reduce the violence in that part of the world...
To "equate" what is happening in the Gaza and West Bank with what the Nazi's were up to is so far off the mark that those who espouse such views "are beyond the reach of reason"...as I suggested regards those who deny the Holocaust.
Just had to rant...and am more happy everyday that none of my kids can blame me for the rapidly retreating Glaciers around the world, which will result in the Death Of Billions...sooner than almost anyone even imagines...
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Cheers,
Frish
Frish
